ETS Tour Journal

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-Greg

Fuck Yea!! Just got back from one of the greatest shows ever, this is Nails Show #3 for me, and the First arena show...and It is safe to say I was not only DESTROYED but 100X more then I was on the club show.

I got there at 9:30am and met a freind there, and we were the first 2 spiral members too arrive. Brandi came around a few times to tell us what was going on, as well as sweeny (i don't know weather to take him serious or not, he has this asshole vibe to him, yet he never really Goes forth with what he says).

Anyway, to make a long story short, Brandi Handed out tickets at 2:15pm to Spiral members, and then at 4:30pm we were allowed in to see the shoundcheck and meet and greet. I think the ONLY reason we got a M&G was there was ONLY 32 spiral members!!! Considering the turn out of about 7,000 fans.

The soundcheck was dead souls, Reptile and Wish. Then they came down to chat with the fans and get one item signed. durning the meet and greet there was also NO BARRIER put up, it was soooo sweet!

After that we went up and sat in section 104 waiting until the barrier was ready to go and we could go sit down on the floor.

SETLIST:
Pinion
Love is not enough
You know what you are
Terrible Lie
The Line Begins to blur
March of the Pigs
Something I can never have
The Frail
The Wretched
Closer
Burn
Gave up
Eraser
Right where it belongs
Beside you in time
With Teeth
Wish
Only
Even Deeper
Deep (he said "here is a treat")
Suck
Hurt
The hand that feeds
Head like a hole (Aaron climbed on the speaker and smashing his guitar in 1/2 and jumped down)

I think between Deep and Suck he said "I was thinking...I don't think we've ever played here before. But then again, I was drunk and Don't remember, either way, thanks for coming out tonight!"

SO, great fuckin' show!! up next: Edmonton on Wednesday!!

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen....BEST fucking NIN show i have ever been to. This was number three for me...and defintely having them come to me for a change was a sweet treat. Maybe it was the best show because i was actually in the pit this time...the whole time...i am totally destroyed and my body hurts in places i didn't know could hurt. DAMN i wish i had that spiral member stuff..i so would have loved to meet Trent.Dammit i deserve to meet Trent. I have given him 10 years of my life...lol

I got there at 630 and there weren't very many people on the floor so i just went and sat down. I didn't leave the whole time. I actually saw you Manburning i was not far behind you. I was with Kelly (Shawn's friend Kelly with the dreads) and she pointed you out to me. The other two bands kinda sucked but NIN was awesome. The sound at the MTS Centre is amazing...i heard everything so clearly. The light show was neat. Definitely loved that curtain with the movies. Some of you might remember seeing that ring of moshers near the stage...well i was on the edge of that ring being thrown around like a damn rag doll. But that's ok. I managed to stay and i had this great spot that allowed for great Trent viewing..i had him dead centre straight in front of me. I was even close enough that i could see the iris of his eyes..mmmmm....eyeliner....anyways...I made my way to the gates for a bit but it got too crazy and i was moved 5 feet backwards just from the crowd going nuts when Wish started...so i went back to my original spot, the one where i could see Trent perfectly. He has SUCH a presence on stage and he seemed energetic. He said something, well he asked the crowd if he had ever played Winnipeg before and of course everyone replied no, and he made some comment that he didn't remember because he was too drunk. Also i guess he was a little bit impressed with us and he " gave us a treat" and played Deep. That was very cool. I was in total awe for every song..because he was amazing. I shamefully did not pay much attention to the other guys in the band because i have always focussed on Trent. Anyways...i was SO fucking thirsty at the end and stupid me wore 4 different layers, they were all thin and lacy but FUCK i was hot..i bought a t-shirt, i had to, i mean, it's not like NIN is EVER going to come back to Winnipeg. I wish i could go to the other shows. Ok enough rambling i am still high from the show. BEST FUCKING SHOW i have been to. I defintely got my NIN Live fix for this year...

GODDAMN, that was amazing. I just got through about 5 hours of driving through a fucking blizzard, but I'd do it again a million times if it meant seeing NIN again....that was incredible.

I actually enjoyed the opening bands quite a bit. I didn't think I would. Then the longest fucking wait EVER for NIN to come on...I was getting very anxious, but the minute they got on, I was up. My entire section was up actually, I was happy to see that. I'll post more tomorrow - it's five-thirty in the morning and I almost died getting home tonight. Hopefully MTScentre.com will update with more information on the concert, all they have now is QOTSA and a bit of NIN. I was expecting wayyy more photos.

Wow... that kicked ass.

I didn't get a chance to do as much moshing as I'd hope, mostly because I couldn't move the whole time. For most of the show, it was uber-crush in front of the stage, so not much movement other than the up and down.

I liked QOTSA, it was awesome when Josh was defending that guy getting pulled out by security, threatening to stop the show...

NIN was extremely solid in their performance, and the sound was among the best I've heard at an arena concert. Terrible Lie was amazing, probably the highlight for me.

There were definitely some drunk assholes though, who constantly tried to get closer, ramming into me and stuff, when I clearly couldn't move. Also all the drunken yelling was disappointing. Fucking stoner jocks.

The show was still awesome. I'm sure I was crushing someone from here at one point.... I was wearing the red 'Jump in the Fire' Metallica shirt.

What an awesome show! Death From Above kicked major ass. I liked Autolux but DFA i liked a hell of a lot more.

QOTSA kicked ass as well. They are so awesome live. They really know how to get a crowed going and keep them on their toes. He had a nice frank discussion with the security guys. Awesome set. I think i liked their St. Paul set better, but this was an awesome performance.

And Nine Inch Nails... what can you say about them? With out a doubt THE BEST live show you can see ever. Nothing compares to seeing them live (i got to see em twice luckily enough). The set list was a little different than usual. With Deep and Even Deeper thrown in the mix. Even Deeper is amazing live. I didnt think it would be, but i was blown away.

I absolutly LOVE the light show for NIN this time round. Fragilty's was awesome too, but i really like this one. I love how during the line begins to blur a line slowly starts drawing across the screens starging from stage-left. and as the line hits each of the weird LED boards the have, they light up into this glowing red. Such an awesome light show for such and awesome live performance. I wish i had got to go to the M&G, but i had to work I'm jealous of everyone who got to go.

I got my fucking Litho!! fuck yeah. im so happy. i have the st. paul one and the Winnipeg one. both are getting framed with my spiral tickets.

I'd like to give the winnipeg crowed a big hand for being such a great audience. I didnt think they would be. I didnt think this was a big enough market for NIN, but i was dead fucking wrong. The crowed was awesome. The MTS centre was packed, even though it wasnt sold out. ANd they rocked as hard as i've ever seen. The really liked DFA and loved Queens. But when NIN took the stage they went wild. Awesome job guys! I cant fucking wait for them to come back! And with the crowd the way it was last night, im fairly certain they'd come back.

In between two of the songs he was saying "I was trying to think. I cant remember. Have we ever come here?" and the entire crowd yelled "NO!!!"
to which trent said "oh sorry. i didnt remember. i was drunk. Its a real honor to be here." That (and The Wretched) made my night!!

Finite_Sky wrote:In between two of the songs he was saying "I was trying to think. I cant remember. Have we ever come here?" and the entire crowd yelled "NO!!!"
to which trent said "oh sorry. i didnt remember. i was drunk. Its a real honor to be here." That (and The Wretched) made my night!!

Hell yeah that totally made my night....I love hearing The Wretched live...tis my third time hearing it live and it blows me away everytime...gives me goosebumps. And the bit about never coming here. YAY.

After being a NIN fan for many years, and seeing many shows, this by far was the BEST concert experience I have had with TR and his current touring band. Agreeing with the local Djay about the show being "epic", the energy, sound, lights and video seemed a perfect fit for the mood the band was trying to project. Did anyone else feel like they were prey to a pack of circling wolves? The only down side was I was unable to take my kids, they love NIN. TR even sober, you still have a bite!

Holy Shit is all I have to say. First time seeing Trent and Co. live and was I blown away. Couldn't get floor tickets but were section 107 so the view couldn't have gotten much better. The energy was intense but the floor could have been a little more into it, aside from the crazies at the front (lucky bastards).

The lights/video were great, the climax of Behind You in Time and Eraser especially. Wish I could see 'em again, hopefully they come back next year. I really hope they filmed this tour.

I wasn't expecting Something I Can Never Have, Even Deeper or Deep, and Burn was a nice surprise, as was The Frail/The Wretched.

Queens were impressive, never seen them before and wasn't too familiar with their work aside from a few singles, but they put on a good show. Their scolding of security was a nice touch, nice to know some bands still like to keep things exciting on the floor.

Death From Above were no slouch either. They only played for about a half hour but for only 2 members they delivered a high energy performance (A Rick plus distortion makes for a killer bass tone). definitely a band to look out for when they come through on their own.

I'd easily have paid 3 or 4 times the ticket price, killer show.

Is Canada tirning into some kind of communist country?>
WHat follows is how we spent yesterday being forcefully held at the border where we were threatened, strip searched and after they found nothing we were turned away.

We left at 4:30 am from Minneapolis for Winnipeg and at about 9:00am we got to the border. We had our state issued Drivers license ID's and social security cards with and that was about it. I talked with a couple of great people at the St. Paul show and they said passports were going to be a requirement but not until 2008. Well the rest of the day was an amazing display of violation and embarrament that I would only believe could happen in Singapore or North Korea. We were searched which was ok with us. They were very aggressive and had this attitude like it was just a matter of time until something was found, but we were very cooperative wanting to minimize out time wasted here. We were drilled about what our accupations were and how we could afford the car we were driving (a 300c). Again we answered even the questions that were insulting with quick, courteous demeanor. AFter about an hour I was losing patience with this overzealous custom agent and his threats about how the dog would find it anyway. After the 5th (no less) of such threats I asked if we could just skip to that part as we were not trying to conceal anything. That resulted in a very bootcamp militaritic situation about me not trying to tell him how to do his job. After his suspisions about the smell in a Nicotrol container(fake platic tubes you inhale the niccotein from to curb smoking urges) we did finally get the dog. I have accute respiratory allergies to all animal dander but I asked them to keep it quick. Another big mistake. That dog scratched the hell out of my hood and the leather interior. WHats the point of seaching on top of the hood? Under the hood? Definatly , but the former is meant in my view only to ruin a very nice paint job. Well the dog did smell something on a mini pocketbook that my wife did have in her purse. It was weed smell and I explained that my wife was out celebrating a new job the weekend before. Which is all very true. ANd if there was an odor that was where it was from. But it was odor and not residue, seeds, a flake of pot, nothing tangible at all. She brought a different purse and everything from that weekend but all our important cards are kept in this mini wallet so we brought that without a second thought. They announced they were going to strip search her after tearing the seam open and finding nothing on the pocketbook. Very embarrassing for her and at that point I asked if we could just leave back to the USA. More cause for suspision I guess. An hour later they were done and having found nothing they had to let us go. My wife was so angry she went on about how we deserved an apology and when they said they were within there rights and this was an acceptable measure given there suspicions. She then said that we would seek restitution for any scratches the dog had put on the vehicle. I was then led out to the car garage where the dog cop took pictures and told me how If I was going to scratch up my car to further my claims that he had his proof. I acctually saw scratches that he hopefully got on film because we will be pursuing further action. WHen I came back my wife was balling. It was 2:00pm and they had told her that they were going to refuse us entry into Canada because of a misdemeanor I had over 10 years ago. They ran out records apparantly and they said it was at there discretion if my record wasn't completely clean. I had my car broken into and when I reported it the police told me I would never see it again. I was mouthy about it and I was given a citation for disorderly conduct. Paid, lesson learned and I haven't though about it since. Well we were then given the option to pay a $200 temporary citizenship application. I asked if there was any way to get the money back if we were denied. She said it was a gamble but our only option today.We then asked to speak to her manager and she lost her temper and had an officer escort my wife to a room where they wouldn't let me follow. She said they threatened her and told her if we didn't like what had already happened so far that we should shut up and leave. She decides who comes over the border and who is turned back and we have no rights in there country. SHe said they could detain us for up to a month and then charge us with anything and that we would have no way to prove anything we said, they would make sure of that. I believe her, my wife and I have 4 kids and she never embelishes anything. She doesn't even take part in rumour spreading like alot of our neighbors seem to. We were given a form saying we were denied entry and sent back thru the US customs where they said anybody declined entry was definatly to be searched thoruougly. On the way out the other mmigration officer told this man that he needed to bring with him a form stating something about a domestic battery case and next time thru he needed to show it had been taken car of. He had a very similar situation to ours. I watched as I waited for my wife to come out of the room she was being threatened in. Over in US customs told them everything hoping I would be given some information on what we could do. I told them their dog indicated the mini wallet and everything else as to why we are not being admitted in Canada. They put us in a closet size room and had us in there for another hour and a half. We were then free to go but they told me to clean out my car as there was seeds all over. I asked to see them and they said they had disposed of them. I haven't smoked weed in 8 years and my wife is not allowed to drive my car. I treat this car everyday like it just came off the lot. It still smells new. There has never even been anything in the car. We came to the conclussion that they had found some popcorn seeds from when I was looking to buy a used truck for the winter the week before. WHile haggling you get all the crappy popcorn you want. On the way home we hit a deer somebody had sawed the head off and left in the road. It was huge and screwed up my alignment.

Now I have already overdone ot on the details but I can't seem to see what we did or what we could have done differently. I called ahead to the customs and immigration dept. of Canada to get a good idea of wht to bring and if we would have any trouble. They said they have been cracking down since 9/11 and they do deny people for felony convictions but if I was being completely honest ( I mentioned the disorderly conduct )we should have no trouble. We are pretty bland compared to what most NIN fans will wear to a concert. We were dressed in all Black pants and rock shirts , but none of the make-up or creative garb that some go with. They seemed to mention the car a few times. Its a Chrysler 300C which I bought last year. Alittle spendy and it has some reputation as being something alot of Rapstars will drive. But its hardly something I can see as being suspicious. I was insulted when I was asked to explain how I afford it. It was made in Canada for crying out loud. I want to know if anyone else experianced trouble like this. We have 4 kids and I work in IT for a company that builds Buses. So you can imagine my appearance is very tame(short boring brown hair, no piercings or visible tattoos). We are out $300 for tickets and gas and from the sounds of it, a very awesome setlist, soundcheck and a meet and greet. This was out 7th concert and even though they haven't been doing the meet and greet that and a varied setlist from the other midwest dates was the big reason we had to get one last show in. Sorry for the ridiculously long post. I want to take some action but without spending a fortune on a lawyerwhere do we begin. I was going to start a new thread with this but since I think others will read these threads for info on meet and greet, etc. I hope someone else coming from the US to these Canadien shows can maybe avoid some trouble. There soesn't seem to be any accountability for customs agents today and the Canadien border isn't a friendly place where you can go drink if you are only 18 instead of 21 and go have fun anymore. Its sad to live so close to a country I now fear. The only thing I am thankful for is that my children stayed at home yesterday. I wouldn't be able to explain why we were treated how we were or what we did wrong. And the kids would then have had another reason to fear the world that I never had.

I have nothing to say about this show...aside from the fact that it was nearly perfect. Everything was great; the crowd, the venue( the sound quality was AMAZING) and the bands. I have to admit, I was kinda scared that the Winnipeg crowd wouldn't be too good but holy FUCK was I wrong!

I was really impressed with Queens and DFA 1979, I though they put on a hell of a show. The the wait for for Nails to come out. Me and my brother were sitting down spotting waldo (a.k.a Rob Sheridan), and then Pinion came on and holy shit did we forget about Rob. Theres really ntohing more to say about NIN, they were perfect. We were on Jeordie's side(section 107, row 12) and got a real good view. Not to mention that Jeordie and Trent were staring at our section a couple of times...kinda funny. The highlight for me was Gave Up...love that song and the crowd was really into it and whenever Trent laughed, which was a couple times (MOTP, SICNH and a bunch more). Anyways great show.

Will post more later.

Unfortunately Borderguards have the power to do anything they want without probable cause. Always have your passport, and when they ask questions just smile and answer, the less you say the better. As much as you want to tell them to hurry up it's never a good idea, even though you are totally within your rights. It truly is a sad state of affairs. We got a car inspection going to the states, no strip search but we did get the whole 20 questions thing. The times they ba a changing (and NOT for the better). It's too bad you missed the show.

Anonymous wrote:Is Canada tirning into some kind of communist country?>
WHat follows is how we spent yesterday being forcefully held at the border where.......t I never had.

wow. that sucks, my wife crosses the border daily and i do about once a month
never had ANYTHIGN happen to us like that
just random quick searches every 6 months or so for me, and about once every couple months for my wife.

sorry to hear that dude. really, we be good people up here

ThePatients wrote: Everything was great; the crowd...have to admit, I was kinda scared that the Winnipeg crowd wouldn't be too good but holy FUCK was I wrong!

Actually, i thought that was VERY tame for a NIN show, Tamest NIN pit I have EVER been into, and that doesn't surprise me, WPG isn't a very rough and tough concert city, we kind of treat each other with ease in the pit, this pit was NOTHING compared to the shows in Toronto in the spring, that was a challange trying to stay alive.

However, I won't have this good of luck later this week in Edmonton or Calgary...those cities have some of the WORST pits known to concert goers, the hardest show ever by far was TOOL in edmonton. even Cradle of Filth in Vancouver was tame.

Wow, sorry to hear about the border trouble. What a nightmare...

I live in Winnipeg, and I went down to Minnisota to camp for a weekend, and the US border guard gave us no trouble, he asked the usual questions and looked in our trunk and cooler.

On the way back, the Canadian border guards took everything out of the car, actually ripped up some of my carpet in the back seat to look under it, threatened the dogs several times, accused my mother of smoking pot(no lie), then hassled us about BB guns, which are completely legal and don't need to be declared. He's the actual conversation, it's straight out of Super Troopers...

Officer (pulls out cheap bb guns): "What are these?? Why didn't you declare these?"
Me: "They're BB guns, I didn't think I had to declare them..."
Officer: "Well, you don't..."

Fuck....

That experience you described at the border is absolutely atrocious and unjust. I really hope you can find a way to fuck over those wannabe cops. Too bad you didn't have a tape recorder, or more witnesses.

I honestly don't understand the rational of these border guards, in terms of how they decide who they let through and who they interrogate. Hell, I've gone to Buffalo on one of those NFL bus trips, and we started drinking at like 8am. They're were cases and cases of beer on the bus, and I forgot my ID. And the border cops didn't care. They just let us through without issue.

I guess to answer your question about what action to take:
1. you could find out if there is an ombudsman for the Canadian Border guards, who you can present the case to. Or some other sort of complaint department.
2. report the incident to your local, state, or federal politician
3. contact the official Human Rights organizations in both Canada and the US
4. report the incident to the nearest Canadian consulate

While you may know this alreayd, I would think that if your looking to take serious action over this, you should probably have it thoroughly documented (as it seems you do). Make sure to keep track of guards names, badge numbers, and descriptions (if you can remember them). Also try to generate a timeline of when things transpired. And try to quote or paraphrase as much as was said to you as possible.

I'm sorry those dicks were such asses to you. I can imagine it must have been traumatizing for both you and your wife. I really hope you can get them all fired for their power-tripping behaviour. Try not to let it leave a permanent sour-taste in your mouth about Canadians, we're not all like that.

Keep us posted on what happens.

The setlists are getting better and slowly they are adding more songs. That's very good to see. I'm excited to see what they add next. Probably Down In It, since they did it before, but maybe I'll be proven wrong.

Does anyone know if a video and or audio recording of the show exists?

Snowed_In wrote:Does anyone know if a video and or audio recording of the show exists?

I could have had an audio recording, and I am kicking myself for not doing so, I even had the equipment with me, I Just wanted to try some video (which didn't work out at all, 'cause it's hard booting a video from front row when Security are watching you like a bloody Hawk!)

However, I am going to learn from my mistake and boot tomorrows show in Edmonton...not that that helps you any hah, sorry.

Snowed_In - what row and seat were you at? I might have seen you. I was at seat one, row 8....the girl with the high-pitched scream and red hair.

Anonymous - that's one hell of a story, I had no idea getting into Canada was that hard. Fucking ridiculous. I'm terribly sorry about that, especially since you missed the show.

Now, about the show - did anyone notice that Trent's shirt was different halfway through the set? He came out wearing that open-collared black vest thing, but later on he was wearing a tight black t-shirt. And the real question is, WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE GOTTEN TO SEE HIM SHIRTLESS?

A funny moment for me - Trent looked over at my section and I went insane. My reaction? I blew kisses. I think he saw me - there was a slight change in his expression and he seemed to nod a bit. That's probably the most teenie-ish thing I've ever done, but how else are you supposed to say "Trent, thank you so much for coming, your music means alot to me and this show has been one of the greatest things to ever happen to me" above a full band and 8,000 fans?

There was one song during which I caught Alessandro making a high-pitched screeching noise. At least I think it was him - no one else had a mic in front of them and he was pretty much pressed against his. Could have been my ears ringing, though!

God, BYIT was intense. Especially when Trent threw his mic stand at the screen and the projection "shattered" where he hit it.

The highlights for me were Deep, Beside You In Time, March of the Pigs, With Teeth and Hurt. I was hoping for Deep, but I didn't think we'd get it...when Trent said he had a little treat for us and they began to play it, I went nuts. That was fantastic. And the climax for BYIT is just amazing.

ManBurning - I'm sorry to hear that the video booting didn't work. I'll look on eBay or something, maybe someone else got some footage...I'm still pissed off that this:

http://www.mtscentre.ca/press_releases/ ... ess_id=101

is all we get for the NIN show from the MTSC site, when they usually have way more. No pictures or anything. That's all I had to rely on since my photos sucked serious arse. Did anyone here get pictures?

Row 8, seat 11, I probably passed you a few times between sets, (short brown hair, Ministry: mind T-shirt, and a black fleece), sorry I don't remember you specifically. The girls behind us (probably seats 6 to 7) were pissed they didn't have floor tickets, although I'm, sure you heard them ranting. I had two friends beside me in seats 9 and 10, a blond haired girl wearing a cream colored shirt and shorter male friend in the tour T-shirt respectively.

The glass smashing was particularly cool to see, and the Eraser video was much more contemporary in nature than what I expected.

The entrance security was really lax. They asked to see a friends socks, and then let me walk right in. No frisking at all or ridiculous pocket search. If I had a recorder of somekind I could have easily brought it in. Oh well.

I missed the first song by DFA cause I was buying a shirt at the merch table (a few ladies kindly let me make my purchase ahead of them even when the clerk asked them what they wanted). Of course considering the weather I could have easily missed the entire DFA set, downtown parking blows.

I haven't been to ANY concert for 5 years. And this one just drew me in. At one point i struggled with the thought of wearing ear plugs. Then i realized that when i was a teenager i wanted to listen to nin as loud as I possibly could.. And with no further a do, earplugs were put away and i was just givin'er. My neck hurts from rocking out. The concert blew me away. Yay for numbers from broken being played. THe blizzard made it even better. It was a very happy day!

Great show indeed.
No one else mentioned how Trent's intro to MOTP refered to us as Winni-pigs. Kinda silly but I enjoyed.

I was pulled apart at the US border by Homeland Insecurity on the way to a Pixies concert last year. Not as bad as poster above but still pretty nutso.
Learned my lesson and will never answer "why you entering US" with "Rock concert". I think that is #2 on their shitlist after "blow something up". Looking at all goth doesn't help either.

Friend of mine was turned away at the border and missed EN in Minni for refusing to answer the (rumoured to be standard) question "any of your family nazi war criminals" (she is German).

Doesn't matter what nation... I suspect having to live in Emerson/Pembina makes you nasty.

crazy show, just such a great time.
saw them at coachella and this obviously topped that.
about the border, we've been dealin with bunk u.s. customs officers for years...maybe there is some job-sharing going on
and definitley living out in emerson would probably make you angry, and disgruntled, and rude, and power hungry, and blood thirsty.

ooooooooooooooooo canada

QRIS wrote:Great show indeed.
No one else mentioned how Trent's intro to MOTP refered to us as Winni-pigs. Kinda silly but I enjoyed.

I thought I heard that, but I wasn't completely sure. I could barely hear him above the sound of everyone screaming. That's pretty cute, I think.

Wow, that sucks about the border "nazi's". I went up to canada a few years ago to see manson and had to go into one of those garages. they searched our car and asked questions, but nothing like you experienced.

Great fucking concert, I had a blast.

DecayingSinner wrote:Wow, that sucks about the border "nazi's". I went up to canada a few years ago to see manson and had to go into one of those garages. they searched our car and asked questions, but nothing like you experienced.

when we went down to St. Paul from Manitoba we got the same deal crossing the border. They're just super paranoid. You tell them you're going to a rock concert and they immediatly think you're drug addicts and search the crap outta your car. It's just the way it is, it's not a Canadian border patrol or American border patrol thing, just a border patrol thing in general


And i heard passports required in 2006.

HI, that was my message about the border nightmare. I had logged in but my long post must have taken longer than I thought. I've been begging for any explanation or a copy of the report for this incident to the imigration supervisor. They said they would look into it and if indeed there was any wrong doing verifiable we may expect out ticket prices refunded. I fully expected to be searched and planned that into our schedule. Not because of how we look or act but just because of todays political climate. During the ordeal we were repetedly asked about how we could afford the vehicle we drove after telling the customs inspector, seperatly, what we did for a living. I hate the way that sounds but it's the only conclussion I can find as to why we were "chosen" for search. I am only 28 but honestly people right out of high school who live at home drive far better Lexus' and SUV's that the accessories cost as much as what I drive. I am so bummed about missing these last few shows. We've been to a handful of shows but they all had a very similar setlist. This was a meet and greet show (which is really rare right now) and we missed Deep, Even Deeper, and Dead Souls in the SC. WTF! I can't see why they wouldn't let us pass for the day. We were cooperative and they found nothing. By turning us away I think they want it to look like they "let something go without arresting us" maybe to cover up that they had gone too far without any cause and hadn't found a thing. My wife was angry after getting naked with no probable cause and getting no apology (which we could live with if we didn't have to waste all the money, time and the two house sitters we hired to watch out 4 kids. I have a lawyer I'm in contact with but he doesn't sound very enthused as border agents can do what they wish and don't have to answer to anyone. The US border was similar with there search but alot less over the top with the Bad Cop/Bad cop routine. They had cause to search too because we were denied entry and couldn't explain why. i think Canada is great, and their people but I was treated like a thug in high school for looking like one. Now that I drive a sedan and a minivan and support a large family I would atleast expect the boring life that comes with it. We couldn't get any more information than badge numbers from all this. They said we would be charged with hindering the investigation when we asked anything at all. Why hide behind that when asked questions about what we had done or were suspicious off and then later not give your name? This is alittle whiney but I hope anybody reading this can understand that being a parent never allows us time to be away from the kids. This was a mini vacation along with the other shows. So to have it ripped away for no reason that we can find is alot like being stolen from. It sounds like you guys rock up there as Trent said during the Edmonton show. I'm glad you finally have an arena to attract these great large scale shows and that NIN puts it all out there no matter the place.

Benjanin wrote:HI, that was my message about the border nightmare. I had logged in but my long post must have taken longer than I thought. I've been begging for any explanation or a copy of the report for this incident to the imigration supervisor. They said they would look into it and if indeed there was any wrong doing verifiable we may expect out ticket prices refunded. I fully expected to be searched and planned that into our schedule. Not because of how we look or act but just because of todays political climate. During the ordeal we were repetedly asked about how we could afford the vehicle we drove after telling the customs inspector, seperatly, what we did for a living. I hate the way that sounds but it's the only conclussion I can find as to why we were "chosen" for search. I am only 28 but honestly people right out of high school who live at home drive far better Lexus' and SUV's that the accessories cost as much as what I drive. I am so bummed about missing these last few shows. We've been to a handful of shows but they all had a very similar setlist. This was a meet and greet show (which is really rare right now) and we missed Deep, Even Deeper, and Dead Souls in the SC. WTF! I can't see why they wouldn't let us pass for the day. We were cooperative and they found nothing. By turning us away I think they want it to look like they "let something go without arresting us" maybe to cover up that they had gone too far without any cause and hadn't found a thing. My wife was angry after getting naked with no probable cause and getting no apology (which we could live with if we didn't have to waste all the money, time and the two house sitters we hired to watch out 4 kids. I have a lawyer I'm in contact with but he doesn't sound very enthused as border agents can do what they wish and don't have to answer to anyone. The US border was similar with there search but alot less over the top with the Bad Cop/Bad cop routine. They had cause to search too because we were denied entry and couldn't explain why. i think Canada is great, and their people but I was treated like a thug in high school for looking like one. Now that I drive a sedan and a minivan and support a large family I would atleast expect the boring life that comes with it. We couldn't get any more information than badge numbers from all this. They said we would be charged with hindering the investigation when we asked anything at all. Why hide behind that when asked questions about what we had done or were suspicious off and then later not give your name? This is alittle whiney but I hope anybody reading this can understand that being a parent never allows us time to be away from the kids. This was a mini vacation along with the other shows. So to have it ripped away for no reason that we can find is alot like being stolen from. It sounds like you guys rock up there as Trent said during the Edmonton show. I'm glad you finally have an arena to attract these great large scale shows and that NIN puts it all out there no matter the place.

Dude i am really sorry you had SO many problems...this is such bullshit....makes Canada look bad...and you have all that time and money wasted...i hope that if you ever decide to come back up here in Canada (I am in Winnipeg) that you will NOT have hassles like this.

Um, I bet that dumbass at the border thought your Chrysler 300c was a Bentley. The front end looks a LOT like a Bentley... the cheapo B's start at $150,000.00.

Beavette wrote:Um, I bet that dumbass at the border thought your Chrysler 300c was a Bentley. The front end looks a LOT like a Bentley... the cheapo B's start at $150,000.00.

I wouldn't be surprised. It warms my heart further that the car was Made (assembled) in Ontario. I can think of a half dozen other ways that I have been good enough to support the economy in Canada but not of the quality they are looking for to visit there. /end misserable bickering

http://cgi.ebay.com/NINE-INCH-NAILS-AUT ... dZViewItem

A new round of broken NIN guitars for charity on eBay - first one on the list at NIN.com is the guitar used in Winnipeg. =D

Benjanin wrote:I was treated like a thug in high school for looking like one.

Old Eskimo proverb go: can judge book by cover.

Benjanin wrote:I'm glad you finally have an arena to attract these great large scale shows and that NIN puts it all out there no matter the place.

Yes, you right, old igloo arena not attract heap big rock bands.

I have an audio recording, but its pretty much crap cause the bass killed it.. if anyone knows how to fix it if possible look me up on demonoid or dimeadozen. There was one song that was salvageable, and almost complete... HURT, and if you scan thru it you can hear all of Trent's comments. Im a recording newbie so I didnt know much about recording a show.

Recorded from sec 118 row 3 (right of stage)

Finally the peg gets a decent show!

I have no idea how to fix it, but I and many others would love you eternally if you posted it for download.